Speaker, podcaster, CEO at Refine Labs, Chris Walker holds nothing back in helping us to unblur the lines between marketing and sales. Marketers need to focus on educating and building brands in creative ways and MUST work for companies who believe the same way to thrive.

Connect with Chris at refinelabs.com and check out the State of Demand Gen podcast on Apple, Google, and Spotify.

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