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Navigating Chaos with John S. Couch, Deb Krier & Michele Risa #529

Jul 31, 2025 By MPN
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On this episode of GoalChat, host Debra Eckerling talks about Navigating Chaos with John S. Couch, author, “The Art of Creative Rebellion;” Deb Krier, Host of The Business Power Hour™, among other endeavors; and Michele Risa of Collaborative Solutions.

While John, Deb, and Michele all specialize in business leadership, the conversation definitely took a holistic and existential turn. The trio shares their chaos – and in some instances, health – stories, advice for approaching chaos, and more.

What is Chaos?

– John: Disruption that is not always constructive

– Michele: It’s the unknown; positive and negative are both sides of the same coin

– Deb K: The unplanned

Goals

– Michele: Have the desire to celebrate amid the gloom and doom

– Deb K: Advocate for yourself, whether it’s health, career, personal life

– John: Meditate and workout

– Bonus Goal: Ask 237 questions a day

Final Thoughts

– Michele: Trust

– Deb K: Give yourself grace

– John: Be kind

Learn More About:

John S. Couch: John-Couch.com

Deb Krier: TheBusinessPowerHour.com

Michele Risa: Collaborativesolutions.global

Debra Eckerling: TheDEBMethod.com/blog

52SecretsBook.com

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