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The Rebels and the Rejects: The Kings of Creativity

Oct 25, 2026 By MPN

Creative agencies talk about change. Dave Trott and Dines have acted on it. In this ten-minute Fuel mini-podcast, they explore overlooked talent, new routes into the industry and what it takes to challenge the creative status quo. Two of Britain's leading advertising creatives share different ways of challenging the status quo. Dave Trott talks about training people other courses had rejected. Dines discusses access, cultural understanding and creating new opportunities for young creatives. Their interviews were recorded separately and are brought together here as two distinct perspectives.

The Rebels and the Rejects: The Kings of Creativity
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In this ten-minute Fuel mini-podcast, Dave Trott and Dines share different ways of challenging the status quo. Trott talks about training people other courses had rejected. Dines discusses access, cultural understanding and creating new opportunities for young creatives.

Their interviews were recorded separately and are brought together here as two distinct perspectives.

Listen to the related Fuel investigation, Who Killed Creativity? thefuelpodcast.com Fuel Podcast

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