Episode 33: On Therapist Bandwidth, Alternative Care Models, Psychedelics and Spirituality

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In this conversation, Steve Turney interviews Ryan Scanlon, the founder of Flourish Your Practice, about his work in helping behavioral health companies with sales and marketing. Ryan shares how his high school teacher inspired him to pursue a career in behavioral health and the impact it had on his life. They discuss the common pain points clinicians face in sales and marketing, including limited bandwidth and the need to monetize their services. They also explore the challenges of the traditional hourly block structure and the need to expand the definition of mental health professionals to meet the growing demand for services.

The conversation concludes with a discussion on alternative care models and the importance of personalized approaches to health and wellness. In this conversation, Ryan Scanlon discusses the state of psychedelics and different approaches to legislation. He highlights the decriminalization of psilocybin in Oregon and the implementation of an innovative infrastructure for psilocybin services. Ryan also addresses the financial barriers for psilocybin facilitators and the progress of psychedelic legislation in Colorado. He then focuses on MDMA-assisted psychotherapy and its effectiveness in treating PTSD. Ryan emphasizes the healing potential of MDMA for trauma, particularly in veterans and individuals with complex trauma. The conversation concludes with a discussion on intentionality and the importance of spiritual health.


Clinicians often face challenges in sales and marketing due to limited bandwidth and a lack of business training in their formal education.

The traditional hourly block structure can be a barrier to expanding services and meeting the growing demand for mental health care.

There is a need to expand the definition of mental health professionals and explore alternative care models, such as peer support, to address the bottleneck in the mental health workforce.

Personalized approaches to health and wellness, including alternative modalities and self-care practices, can play a significant role in improving mental health outcomes.

Psilocybin has been decriminalized in Oregon, and the state has implemented an innovative infrastructure for psilocybin services.

Financial barriers, such as high costs and annual fees, pose challenges for psilocybin facilitators.

MDMA-assisted psychotherapy shows promise in treating PTSD, particularly in veterans and individuals with complex trauma.

Intentionality is crucial for personal growth and spiritual health, and it requires examining one’s intentions and being conscious of how one shows up in relationships and daily life.

Sound Bites



Introduction and Background


Flourish Your Practice: Helping Behavioral Health Companies


Impact of High School Teacher on Ryan’s Career Choice


Common Pain Points in Sales and Marketing for Clinicians


Challenges of Traditional Hourly Block Structure


Expanding the Definition of Mental Health Professionals


Exploring Alternative Care Models


Applying the Peer Support Model


Personalized Approaches to Health and Wellness


Psychedelics and Different Approaches to Legislation


Psilocybin in Oregon


Financial Barriers for Psilocybin Facilitators


Psychedelic Legislation in Colorado


MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy and PTSD


The Healing Potential of MDMA for Trauma


Intentionality and Spiritual Health


The Consciousness and Unconsciousness


The Intersection of Mind, Body, and Spirit


Holistic Approaches to Mental Health


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